i did not know anything about ttatt while attending the meetings.. .
ttatt=the truth about the truth..
A little over 2 years so far... Still trying to help the wife out of the org. It is coming along, but slowly.
I feel like a piece of shit as I walk through those doors. I'm not being true to myself or honest with those around me.
Dont know how much more of this I can handle.
hello everybody, before i begin i just wanna say that i have really found alot of great posts on here that have been helpful forme , theres definitely alot of brilliant people here!.
i am a born in jw(24 years old) ive been baptized for 7 years and was a ministerial servant for 4 years(i am no longer one).
recently me and my parents have have woken up to ttatt(about 2 months ago).
Welcome batman89!
Thats great that you were able to wake up with your parents. I'm sure most of us on this board would swap places with your situation in a second. My advice - make sure she has your contact info while you go out and live your life in your fade and after. You need to get your space. If you got anything through to her, she will wake up eventually. And she will be looking for support.
Also, I think it is morally incumbent upon you to share the story of how your family woke up.. If and when you're ready.
Fele free to PM me anytime, we're close to the same age.
good luck
i'm sitting here at the mtg, and i can't believe the mind numbing stupidity of this weeks wt "study"...( i use the word study loosely too by the way...).
how many dumb repeated questions can be posed to try and make a point?.
the opening paragraph illustration re blindness is classic!
Oubliette, I sent that link to my wife a couple days ago for her to review before this weekend... Now we'll see if the cog dis is building.
about 5 minutes ago i get an article emailed to me from my mother telling me that i need to find a way to get back to jehovah and his saving arm... she read an article in a reputable newspaper that all the friends are using to show that its not just jehovahs witnesses who see religion about to get attacked by the u.n.. it concludes with a link to the article and her desire for me to please read it in light of my recent situation.. .
here is the article http://www.examiner.com/article/is-the-un-preparing-to-attack-religion.
the writer bill underwood is a jehovah's witness.
what proof do we have that Bill Underwood is a JW?
That info will be questioned immediately if brought up as Defense to this article by JWs.
im not casting doubt on you, tech49. I just can't bring up your personal testimony to a jw and expect them to consider it credible.
in my old congregation, everyone seems clean.
mostly chaste courtship, kingdom hall wedding, blah blah.. well there are lots of cases of fondling but they were soon forgotton.
when my husband and i confessed to sex before marriage, the elders were disgusted.
Funny... I never felt a twitch of guilt. None.
faders need a secret sign to use at the khall.
the thought came to me after reading replies to datadogs post on stopping singing at the meetings.. i can suggest a few secret signs for faders to use and to look for at the khall, but it would be better that current meeting attenders make suggestions here.
if readers on this site can agree to a secret sign to use at the meetings, just imagine the power that would have at your kingdom hall.
Never singing along, never opening your bible, not closing your eyes for prayers, coming late, leaving early, never going in service, going to less than half the meetings, never commenting, never giving talks, gently shaking your head while you make a disgusted face at the speaker, whispering to your wife/husband about what bullshit this guy is spewing.
All those things.
At at least that's what I do.
where do they come up with this stuff?.
this is a topic on 'the other site'.
i actually called our bethel ny branch and talked to a brother on the writing committee, at writing correspondence.
There's not much point in running with this, the teaching will change once it becomes completely untenable.
Interesting thing though, is that this teaching is barely tenable right now! And it only changed last when... 2010? I think the overlapping BS started in 1995. They won't be able to get away with officially changing it without some fallout.
IMHO their best play would be to ignore the words "this generation" completely for a while, remove it in new editions of old books, etc. Then once someone brings it up they can say that is a 'previously held view' and can berate the questioner for not 'keeping up with Jehovah's chariot.'
"the world is much worse off today then yesterday .
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i know the basic answers, but give me some more ammunition.
Crime rates have DROPPED overall, city by city in most cases. Verify this how you like to.
Earthquakes have definitely NOT increased in number or in intensity at all in recorded history. Easily verifiable.
Medical breakthroughs and improvements in living conditions have made it possible for you to average twice the lifespan of your great great grandparents.
Improvements in technogy and communication allow us to communicate with you right now, and average people to gain volumes of knowledge right at home.
Starvation, while terrible, has improved with GM foods being more able to grow in poor conditions, and more cheaply.
Moral decline? That will be a matter of opinion.
You may have to make some comparisons with 150 or even 100 years ago (to hit the 1914 last days button) to make your point. Rest assured, it should be easy to do.
The point that this time, right now is the best time to live in human history should be a fairly easy one to make. That is not a matter of opinion.
i remember some months ago reading on jw.org about the issue with child abuse.
i tried to find it last night but couldn't.
so if anybody has a link to it can you post it.
Did it say there have only been 11 FILED against them or 11 have gone to trial? I'm not sure the answer to your question but I do know they will avoid going to trial at all costs.
i just finished the episode about the extinctions and the tree of life and how life evolved.
my wife asked me "what, do u believe in evolution now?
because im watching a science show?
I'd like to hear some JWs reactions to the show. They haven't been bombarded with anti-evolution nonsense for a while
